Hey, this is catching. I'm going to study this carefully.

Thank you.

anything for you my dear brother. I am happy to see that it get's intelectual juices flowing. :)

Peace dear bro

I am familiar with various theories but most of them are Born out of the fact of not really knowing:) Hologram or holographic projection as some put it still based on the rules understood within space and time.

However I would like to know what you make of Surah 67:3-5. Do you think people should grow out of Islam as well or did the scribes make a mistake or would you say I made a mistake?

I WONDER WHAT JESUS THINKS OF THE POPE AND HIS FOLLOWERS!!!
BACK TO YOU POPE BENEDICT :D

Greetings of Peace bro TM

It is rational to conceive that everything is interconnected for all around us we witness His contenance and we remain forever in His dominion. Everything eminates from the Source and remains connected to the Source therfore the Source is connected to everything and everything within the Source is interconnected.

Indeed we do not know how His Laws and Forces operate and to what extent, however it is rational to percieve the role of light, force, and energy in the scheme of the Divine System by His Will.

The holographic ideal cannot be totally dismissed by me due to the fact that I am aware of how the eyes and the brain work in synce processing information to provode us with residual images. Why cannot what be done by us could not be achieved by the ONE Whom is greater than us? It is plausable to conceive we reside within His Infinite Conciosness.

So my question for you dear brother, enlighten me to where this theory contridicts the Qur'an and my understanding of the truth that there is One indivisable truth that transends all of the worlds and everything in it?

Oh yeah, the ayahs you provided sound to me they can be more ascribed to our false ulama (traditionalist stuck in one dogmatic vew of everything) as to those who truly study the open book of nature aknowledging as more information comes the more we understand.

Indeed Allah knows best and we kno knot, therefore, no one can rule out anything unless it openly contridicts the Book. Also, I would bet that what any of think we may know about Allah is most likely incorrect. All we have in the Qur'an, and this is the blue print in which we pivot from penetrating all bodies of knowledge seeing if they line up. If it does not contridict the Qur'an and it's overall Message, for me it is plausable.

I am confused by the growing out of Islam part.

Enlighten me my dear brother.

wa'salaam

Salaam brother Ahjii,

Just in case there was some confusion, I often use the word (You) in a collective sense rather then put a brother on the stand:)

Anyway if you go through what I said you will now understand that I did not dismiss instead already confirmed the limitations which you presented now. The theoretical concepts are in the right direction but obviously as you know the experts do not fully understand and the same with the rules of time and space. While the Creator Originator (The Grand scientist if you like) is beyond these rules the role of Light, Forces and Energy are dependent on time and space. I also posted some relevant info to the Raelian maxim for his enlightenment :) check it out in the Muslim house.

I presented the verses to see who is with understanding and who may come out with the dogmatic views with the tafseers, most of the people who had bought into the dogmatic views, when confronted with science tend to grow out of Islam in other words it is because of their own ignorance and lack of understanding which makes them abandon Islam like other religions especially when the so called Ulemah failed to understand and explain the allegorical clues within the Quran.

Now I can reveal the verses but the same Ulemah types take such knowledge for granted yet never change their spots nor give up their sectarians ways. No one is guided unless Allah wills them to be guided.

In regards to how far the scientists have managed to understand from a holographic point of view, a clear clue is in verse 67:4. There are other verses as well.

To cut it short I will answer my own question: what I was getting at was, No people should not grow out of Islam, No the scribes did not make a mistake and I am not mistaken:)

The problem we are faced with is everyone wants to know but reluctant to submit, instead use the knowledge to advance their own followings sects or cults. Christian leaders are well known for this, simply taking the knowledge and attributing it to jesus. Should not the gods and false shepherds of every religion be put on trial before Allah to show the nations how little they know and were nothing but false gods and false apostles?

I hope your confusion has faded away by now:)

Fee Amanillah

Salaams bro TM

My dear brother, you are considered by me to be a very wise brother so when you speak and I question I am only seeking clarity for furhter enlightenment so there is never an issue of disrespect between me and you. :)

Indeed you are correct in regards to how some may get confused by science and it's co'relation with The Qur'an, and indeed this can only be the result of dogmatic interpretation. This is why many do think they can grow out of Islam, however, Islam is the deen of the universe and we can never grow out of it.

I fully comprehend what you are speaking and I am in agreement in reference to the fact that Allah is beyond space and time for He forever lives in the present. However, I am wondering how could such particle atoms be in total sync to the degree of total coherence which is beyond the barriers of space and time as explained in Aspects experiment, there is much more going on that we can yet fully concieve or explain. Because of this, I can't totally rule out the holographic concept just yet.

I am happy to experience change happening right before my very eyes within my short term of material existence, Subhanallah. By the theories they are presenting pointing all of mankind in the right direction (toward the Divine Writ) this means we are coming closer to universal consensus that Allah is the truth, and The Qur'an is the truth. In time all religious dogma and prejudice will be eradicated and all we will be left with is the truth and mankind will be united under one banner of truth, La Illaha Illallah wa anna Muhammadur Rasulallah.

"In time We will show them Our signs in the utmost Horizons and within themselves, so that it will become clear to them that this Qur’an is indeed the Truth. Is it not enough for them to know that your Lord is Witness to all things." (41:53)

"Unto God belong the East and the West. Wherever you go, whichever way you turn, there is God’s Countenance and you remain in His Dominion. For, God is All Embracing, All Knowing." (2:115)

Inshallah, I going to check out what you posted in the Muslim house dear bro.

Jazzak Allah

Salamu Alaikum wa Rhamatuallah wa Barakatahu

Oh yeah bro TM, I am pretty sure you heard of the quantum loop theory (loop quantum gravity). All of this is starting to remind me of the matrix when neo came to the source and he (the source) told him (neo) that the matrix itself has been recreated many times before him and that he being the one would not signify it's end.

On that Day We shall roll up the Sky as written scrolls are rolled up. Then, just as We initiated the first creation, We shall produce a new one (a new Universe). This is a Promise binding upon Us. For, We are Able to do all things. (21:04)

To Him is your ultimate return, all of you. God’s Promise is the unwavering Truth. He created the first creation, and He will create it again so that every action may have its Just Recompense. (10:4)

I dunno but I am seeing a lot of co'relation and similarities here, lol. What do you think bro? Share with me your perspectives.

I also would like if and when you find any information of these matter please (scientific theories and it's co'relation or similarities with the Qur'anic message) please send me the links to my personal page I would greatly appreciate it bro. This stuff is amazing.

Fe Amanillah

Thanks for your understanding brother

You are right about, “there is much more going on that we can yet fully conceive or explain”. More then what Scientists have partially grasped and still working on with experimentation, it is important to understand that all space and time is Present before Allah rather then Allah is in the present or has to be present the way humans understand. Scientists are still struggling within the barrier and have not fully grasped all the dimensions and actual sciences, quantum Physics and related theoretical works are still scratching the tip of the Iceberg. The reason you see more shift towards all things quantum is because it helps scientists deal with the unknown without acknowledging the Divine hand:) But that is all fine eventually they are meant to obtain certainty anyway regardless of what ever path they choose.

Of course you do not have to rule out Holographic concepts but it is important that you look at it from all angles and stay up to date. Michael Talbots work based on Alain Aspect, David Bohm and Karl H. Pribram is kind of out of date there are other more recent studies which are more relevant and the holographic concept is just one piece of the puzzle for the scientists not the entire picture as being assumed by some scientists.

Nevertheless like you said, “we are coming closer to universal consensus that Allah is the Truth, and The Qur'an is the truth”

As you can see that you can relate to the verses you posted because you have the growing scientific knowledge to go with them whereas the Ulema of the past and dogmatic buffoons can not grasp what Mankind is being directed towards

The verses have three layers, one which everyone can read and two which people understand in time through acquiring other knowledge in the future or from the historic background to the verses. Three is the Hidden which comes not only through understanding and acquisition of other knowledge such a sciences but is revealed through other channels only to the very few.

I believe I had briefly touched on LQG and LQC in the past as well but as I said it is just tip of the Iceberg.

However in the meantime, some of my own quotes from the past will shed some more light:

Even if there was no Mankind or Religions God still is.

To get closer to God you have to understand the expanding Universe along with actual science and mechanics behind Quantum Physics.

The Uncertainty Principle is being reviewed and it is becoming more and more obvious that it is about Certainty and not the randomness the physicists assumed

It is not the Quran which has to match the theoretical concepts since the actual science behind what you speak of is not fully understood as of yet instead as the Quran confirms that only with understanding will know hence how eventually attain certainty. Therefore when scientists will understand Gravitation itself and the Order then the theoretical will be closer to fact hence the Certainty.

The Quran is because of God not God because of the Quran. I can simply put away all scrip’tures even then there is the Originator God and all that he has created. Religion is because of God not God because of Religion. There is no power, no science, no proof which can remove God

Focus on the order behind the sciences especially spacetime and what they consider to be the 11th dimension rather then conjure up more theories built around existing theories.

The very foundation of Creation is actual science not merely the doctrine of testing what may or may not become an acceptable working theory for the time being by the so called scientific community.

WaSalaam

P.S: Sure we will talk more on the subject in light of the verses in the future InshAllah

As for the Matrix, don’t tell anyone lol There are patterns to everything.

You know even in Movies there are hidden messages sometimes even the writers and Directors are unaware of what they had been lead to deliver. Tapping into the subconscious and subliminal messaging is not something new. Matrix is not the only Movie with the message try Max Payne, Wanted and Equilibrium as well etc

I would like you to see this Matrix video, seems like someone is on to something.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ziYnvEBOOfE

Max Payne link, they will try to stop you from knowing the Truth
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8UppYl3On9I

Wanted link, they would like you to join them
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O7ftozVc3lI

Equilibrium link is for you to figure out:)

Could it be that all parties are counting on the one and the same person? It all boils down to his choice and what he Believes even if all the odds were against him. There is a unseen War going on, some want Darth Vader while others want Neo But they all know the Man will never betray God he would choose death over disbelief

VR future link to Holographic concepts
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nHvEUWzA4Qw