Mr.CR Kirati,
I am glad in reading the pieces of articles written on this HI5.com about Kirat, to share around all of our origin, but as I am also Sunuwar kirat,

I am going to learn though and seen some of our discussions are not our reality, I donlt agree what is mentioned.

Kirat is a himalayan indiginious tribe originated all the way from mongolia.... and this kirat is sub categories only only three categories(brothers in kirant) as upper kirat(Sunuwar), middle kirat(Rai) and lower kirat(Limbu/Subba)...it is not sub divided to classes by any degree of discrimination or anything like to show as in hindu caste system, but as the brothers.

Let me explain briefly ... as best of my knowledge. It is just categorize as time during reign of Shah dynasty, kirat was defeated and slowly pushed towards east...and as seen mostly sunuwars reside in sunkoshi & dudh koshi, then mostly rais majority is in Bhojpur and around regions and far east we find mostly Limbus/Subbas...which has reached far east to sikkim and sorroundings. So this is how these kirat brothers are categorised as Upper Kirat/Mathelo Kirat(Sunuwars)and Middle Kirat/Majeelo Kirat(Rais) and lastly Lower Kirat/Tallo Kirat(Limbus/Subbas).

Sunuwar, Rai and Limbu/Subba are only the Indiginious tribe called Kirat...... yakkha, sherpa, magar, gurung, koche, meche, lepcha, etc. are not Kirat. === Original Message ===

Proposed map of "Kirat Swayatta Rajya" put forward by "Kirat Rai Yayokkha"....

Kirat Swayatta Rajya..... where every kiratis(not kira'n'tis) have equall opportunity to practice their culture...

this is just a proposed map n hasn't been finalised.. gettin view from general kirati public and updating the map is always there.... (incldes kiratis of every tribe i.e. rai, limbu, sunuwar, yakkha, sherpa, magar, gurung, koche, meche, lepcha, etc..)

No single caste state like Limbuwan or Khambuwan, but a whole united "KIRAT AUTONOMOUS STATE" (with sub sutonomous states within)

KEEP IN MIND, THE ENTIRE MAP BOUNDARY DENOTES A SINGLE KIRAT SATE AND NOT A SEPERATE CASTE-BASED STATE.. THE DIVISION WITHIN ARE JUST THE SUB-AUTONOMUS STATE..(sunuwar sub-autonomous state chai achher metiyekole alik unclear chha, tyaskolagi maafi pau)...

Guru jay Sunuwar Ji!!!
pahile ta, Kirati haru Mongolia bata ayeka hoinan?? yesto misconception aba dekhi narakhnu hola.. kirat haru ko race chai mongoloid ho matra bhaneko ho.. mongolia bata koi pani ayeko chhaina..

ani, itihas ra itihas ka dante(folk) katha haru ra likhit kitab haru bata kirat haruka daju bhai haru rai, limbu, sunuwar, yakkha, meche , koche, tamang, gurung, magar adi dherai bhaneka chhan. ti ta bhaye dante katha haru.. dherai pahile paschim ko kumaon garuwal dekhi purba ko Assan,burma samma chhariyeka hunthe kirati raja haru.. detail ma bhandina as it'd take some pages to explain..

ani, kirat haru rai, limbu, sunuwar matrai hoina.. contemporarily(at present) rai, limbu, sunuwar, yakkha adi lai matra maniye pani yini haru lagayat aru mongoloid(not mongolian frm mongolia) race ka tribe haru jastai gurung, magar, lepcha, koche, meche, tamang, etc sabai kirat jati ma parchhan... yo chai itihas le bhaneko hai, maile bhaneko hoina.. ani batho bhayis bhannu hunchha bhane Sunuwar sewa samaj ma gayera tyahako janne lai sodnuni...
Kirat rai Yayokkha, Kirat yakthum chumlung, Sunuwar sewa samaj, kirat yakkha chhumma adi le yo kura lai swikar garchha..(gurung magar harule tara hami kirati bhanera claim gareka chhainan)... confuse hunu bho hola tara tapaiko confusion hatauna chai tapaile halka anthropological study garnu parchha..

ani kirati haru lai P.N. Shah le east lakheteko hoina.. tyo janminubhanda pahile nai east mai rajya gardaithyo Kirati(presently recognised kirati) harule.. PN Shah le ta kabja po garekota.. Pachhi hamilai bibhajit garidiyo "wollo, pallo, majh" name diyera.. hamilai tukryayera raj garna(divide and rule concept)... ahile pani bahun harule tyastai gardaichha.. tyasaile kirati haru sabai ek hunu parne awasta chha..

ani rai ko kura garnu hunchha bhane rai bhojpur ma matra hoina Khotang, Sankhuwa Sabha, illam, bhojpur, dhankuta, solukhumbu, okhaldunga, sunsari, udaypur, morong, sikkim darjeling ra bhutan pani chha... Sunuwar ko barema tapailai nai thaha chha hola. ani yakkha bhanne sunubhayeko chhaina bhane ahile thaha pairakhnus..

ani antim ra ekdam important kura hai.... maile yo mathi lekheko post k ko jankari kolagi ho tapailai thaha paunu bhayena jasto chha.. yadi thaha bhayena bhane pheri ek choti padnus... yo article nabhayera Kirat Rai Yayokkha le propose gareko "kirat Swayatta Rajya" ko concept ho....

Every sunuwar, Elders and youngs please review the information in the following sites:..

http://www.nefin.org.np/indigenous-nationalities/hill-in/50-sunuwar

http://www.sunuwar.org.np/

I would like to learn more specially from the elderly olders...what are the origin of sunuwars

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