All loving Brothers and Sisters I am glad in reading the pieces of articles written on this HI5.com about Kirat, to share around all of our origin, but as I am also Sunuwar kirat, and thanks to all brothers and sisters of Sunuwars as well Kirant. I am going to learn though and seen some of our discussions are not our reality, I donlt agree what is mentioned. Kirat is a himalayan indiginious tribe originated all the way from mongolia.... and this kirat is sub categories only only three categories(brothers in kirant) as upper kirat(Sunuwar), middle kirat(Rai) and lower kirat(Limbu/Subba)...it is not sub divided to classes by any degree of discrimination or anything like to show as in hindu caste system, but as the brothers. Let me explain briefly ... as best of my knowledge. It is just categorize as time during reign of Shah dynasty, kirat was defeated and slowly pushed towards east...and as seen mostly sunuwars reside in sunkoshi & dudh koshi, then mostly rais majority is in Bhojpur and around regions and far east we find mostly Limbus/Subbas...which has reached far east to sikkim and sorroundings. So this is how these kirat brothers are categorised as Upper Kirat/Mathelo Kirat(Sunuwars)and Middle Kirat/Majeelo Kirat(Rais) and lastly Lower Kirat/Tallo Kirat(Limbus/Subbas). Sunuwar has more than 56 gotheras as Mulicha, Kormacha, Gouracha, etc. and divided into two groups 12 tharay and 10 tharay….though many Gothras, we have only one and significant dialect(language/Vasa) as SUNUWARI VASA, where as in Rai, there are different Gothras and has different dialect(language/Vasa; Chamling has Chamling language, Bantawa has Bantawa language) has many languages as they have different Gothras, respectively like Limbus also. So as Sunuwar, I am very proud to say, “I AM PROUD SUNUWAR” besides I also love to say, “Kirat and more over I Like saying, “Sunuwar Kirat,” rather than only sunuwar, SO all kirats(Sunuwar/Rai/Limbu), we must unify as Kirat, “A STRONG KIRAT” Regarding some of our brothers and sisters’ confusions,…As we know, RAIS are just next to Sunuwars as mentioned above, we have many similarities in traditions and customs, that’s We all say, “DUAL CULTURE EXISTANCE” LETS NOT CONFUSE, DON’T SAY, “We Don’t KNOW,” Or “ DON’T Say We Are Rai Sunuwar.” But we could say Kirat Sunuwar not Rai Sunuwar Let us give clear identity… Gurujay B Sunuwar/Jay Mukhiya(Sunuwar) === Original Message === Mr.CR Kirati,
I am glad in reading the pieces of articles written on this HI5.com about Kirat, to share around all of our origin, but as I am also Sunuwar kirat,

I am going to learn though and seen some of our discussions are not our reality, I donlt agree what is mentioned.

Kirat is a himalayan indiginious tribe originated all the way from mongolia.... and this kirat is sub categories only only three categories(brothers in kirant) as upper kirat(Sunuwar), middle kirat(Rai) and lower kirat(Limbu/Subba)...it is not sub divided to classes by any degree of discrimination or anything like to show as in hindu caste system, but as the brothers.

Let me explain briefly ... as best of my knowledge. It is just categorize as time during reign of Shah dynasty, kirat was defeated and slowly pushed towards east...and as seen mostly sunuwars reside in sunkoshi & dudh koshi, then mostly rais majority is in Bhojpur and around regions and far east we find mostly Limbus/Subbas...which has reached far east to sikkim and sorroundings. So this is how these kirat brothers are categorised as Upper Kirat/Mathelo Kirat(Sunuwars)and Middle Kirat/Majeelo Kirat(Rais) and lastly Lower Kirat/Tallo Kirat(Limbus/Subbas).

All loving Brothers and Sisters I am glad in reading the pieces of articles written on this HI5.com about Kirat, to share around all of our origin, but as I am also Sunuwar kirat, and thanks to all brothers and sisters of Sunuwars as well Kirant. I am going to learn though and seen some of our discussions are not our reality, I donlt agree what is mentioned. Kirat is a himalayan indiginious tribe originated all the way from mongolia.... and this kirat is sub categories only only three categories(brothers in kirant) as upper kirat(Sunuwar), middle kirat(Rai) and lower kirat(Limbu/Subba)...it is not sub divided to classes by any degree of discrimination or anything like to show as in hindu caste system, but as the brothers. Let me explain briefly ... as best of my knowledge. It is just categorize as time during reign of Shah dynasty, kirat was defeated and slowly pushed towards east...and as seen mostly sunuwars reside in sunkoshi & dudh koshi, then mostly rais majority is in Bhojpur and around regions and far east we find mostly Limbus/Subbas...which has reached far east to sikkim and sorroundings. So this is how these kirat brothers are categorised as Upper Kirat/Mathelo Kirat(Sunuwars)and Middle Kirat/Majeelo Kirat(Rais) and lastly Lower Kirat/Tallo Kirat(Limbus/Subbas). Sunuwar has more than 56 gotheras as Mulicha, Kormacha, Gouracha, etc. and divided into two groups 12 tharay and 10 tharay….though many Gothras, we have only one and significant dialect(language/Vasa) as SUNUWARI VASA, where as in Rai, there are different Gothras and has different dialect(language/Vasa; Chamling has Chamling language, Bantawa has Bantawa language) has many languages as they have different Gothras, respectively like Limbus also. So as Sunuwar, I am very proud to say, “I AM PROUD SUNUWAR” besides I also love to say, “Kirat and more over I Like saying, “Sunuwar Kirat,” rather than only sunuwar, SO all kirats(Sunuwar/Rai/Limbu), we must unify as Kirat, “A STRONG KIRAT” Regarding some of our brothers and sisters’ confusions,…As we know, RAIS are just next to Sunuwars as mentioned above, we have many similarities in traditions and customs, that’s We all say, “DUAL CULTURE EXISTANCE” LETS NOT CONFUSE, DON’T SAY, “We Don’t KNOW,” Or “ DON’T Say We Are Rai Sunuwar.” But we could say Kirat Sunuwar not Rai Sunuwar Let us give clear identity… Gurujay B Sunuwar/Jay Mukhiya(Sunuwar) === Original Message === see i want to know i am sunuwar but sometimes people ask wat sunuwar is so to clarify i just say that i am likerai.was i telling them okay?means sunuwar lai rai pani bhanna milchha ki mildaina?HELp
chandika

Guru jay Sunuwar Ji!!!
pahile ta, Kirati haru Mongolia bata ayeka hoinan?? yesto misconception aba dekhi narakhnu hola.. kirat haru ko race chai mongoloid ho matra bhaneko ho.. mongolia bata koi pani ayeko chhaina..

ani, itihas ra itihas ka dante(folk) katha haru ra likhit kitab haru bata kirat haruka daju bhai haru rai, limbu, sunuwar, yakkha, meche , koche, tamang, gurung, magar adi dherai bhaneka chhan. ti ta bhaye dante katha haru.. dherai pahile paschim ko kumaon garuwal dekhi purba ko Assan,burma samma chhariyeka hunthe kirati raja haru.. detail ma bhandina as it'd take some pages to explain..

ani, kirat haru rai, limbu, sunuwar matrai hoina.. contemporarily(at present) rai, limbu, sunuwar, yakkha adi lai matra maniye pani yini haru lagayat aru mongoloid(not mongolian frm mongolia) race ka tribe haru jastai gurung, magar, lepcha, koche, meche, tamang, etc sabai kirat jati ma parchhan... yo chai itihas le bhaneko hai, maile bhaneko hoina.. ani batho bhayis bhannu hunchha bhane Sunuwar sewa samaj ma gayera tyahako janne lai sodnuni...
Kirat rai Yayokkha, Kirat yakthum chumlung, Sunuwar sewa samaj, kirat yakkha chhumma adi le yo kura lai swikar garchha..(gurung magar harule tara hami kirati bhanera claim gareka chhainan)... confuse hunu bho hola tara tapaiko confusion hatauna chai tapaile halka anthropological study garnu parchha..

ani kirati haru lai P.N. Shah le east lakheteko hoina.. tyo janminubhanda pahile nai east mai rajya gardaithyo Kirati(presently recognised kirati) harule.. PN Shah le ta kabja po garekota.. Pachhi hamilai bibhajit garidiyo "wollo, pallo, majh" name diyera.. hamilai tukryayera raj garna(divide and rule concept)... ahile pani bahun harule tyastai gardaichha.. tyasaile kirati haru sabai ek hunu parne awasta chha..

ani rai ko kura garnu hunchha bhane rai bhojpur ma matra hoina Khotang, Sankhuwa Sabha, illam, bhojpur, dhankuta, solukhumbu, okhaldunga, sunsari, udaypur, morong, sikkim darjeling ra bhutan pani chha... Sunuwar ko barema tapailai nai thaha chha hola. ani yakkha bhanne sunubhayeko chhaina bhane ahile thaha pairakhnus.. sunuwar ko jastai yakkha ra limbu haruko pani eutai bhasa hunchhan.

ani antim ra ekdam important kura hai.... maile naya post gareko topic article aru nabhayera Kirat Rai Yayokkha le propose gareko "kirat Swayatta Rajya" ko concept ho....

Mr.CR I am just rolling on it, I have lot to learn...you can say I am novice at this intance......but there are still our olders are far concerned due to limited medium on internet blog... === Original Message === Guru jay Sunuwar Ji!!!
pahile ta, Kirati haru Mongolia bata ayeka hoinan?? yesto misconception aba dekhi narakhnu hola.. kirat haru ko race chai mongoloid ho matra bhaneko ho.. mongolia bata koi pani ayeko chhaina..

ani, itihas ra itihas ka dante(folk) katha haru ra likhit kitab haru bata kirat haruka daju bhai haru rai, limbu, sunuwar, yakkha, meche , koche, tamang, gurung, magar adi dherai bhaneka chhan. ti ta bhaye dante katha haru.. dherai pahile paschim ko kumaon garuwal dekhi purba ko Assan,burma samma chhariyeka hunthe kirati raja haru.. detail ma bhandina as it'd take some pages to explain..

ani, kirat haru rai, limbu, sunuwar matrai hoina.. contemporarily(at present) rai, limbu, sunuwar, yakkha adi lai matra maniye pani yini haru lagayat aru mongoloid(not mongolian frm mongolia) race ka tribe haru jastai gurung, magar, lepcha, koche, meche, tamang, etc sabai kirat jati ma parchhan... yo chai itihas le bhaneko hai, maile bhaneko hoina.. ani batho bhayis bhannu hunchha bhane Sunuwar sewa samaj ma gayera tyahako janne lai sodnuni...
Kirat rai Yayokkha, Kirat yakthum chumlung, Sunuwar sewa samaj, kirat yakkha chhumma adi le yo kura lai swikar garchha..(gurung magar harule tara hami kirati bhanera claim gareka chhainan)... confuse hunu bho hola tara tapaiko confusion hatauna chai tapaile halka anthropological study garnu parchha..

ani kirati haru lai P.N. Shah le east lakheteko hoina.. tyo janminubhanda pahile nai east mai rajya gardaithyo Kirati(presently recognised kirati) harule.. PN Shah le ta kabja po garekota.. Pachhi hamilai bibhajit garidiyo "wollo, pallo, majh" name diyera.. hamilai tukryayera raj garna(divide and rule concept)... ahile pani bahun harule tyastai gardaichha.. tyasaile kirati haru sabai ek hunu parne awasta chha..

ani rai ko kura garnu hunchha bhane rai bhojpur ma matra hoina Khotang, Sankhuwa Sabha, illam, bhojpur, dhankuta, solukhumbu, okhaldunga, sunsari, udaypur, morong, sikkim darjeling ra bhutan pani chha... Sunuwar ko barema tapailai nai thaha chha hola. ani yakkha bhanne sunubhayeko chhaina bhane ahile thaha pairakhnus.. sunuwar ko jastai yakkha ra limbu haruko pani eutai bhasa hunchhan.

ani antim ra ekdam important kura hai.... maile naya post gareko topic article aru nabhayera Kirat Rai Yayokkha le propose gareko "kirat Swayatta Rajya" ko concept ho....

Mr.CR I also have learn ....quite a bit but not vast about Tibeto-burman and mongolian, that all the people (matwali) like magar,gurung,kirat,etc. are under these groups and ofcourse we are not Aryan.

Could you tell me now, under which group we kirat fall, is it both or just Tibeto-Burman or Mongolian?

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Mr.CR I also have learn ....quite a bit but not vast about Tibeto-burman and mongolian, that all the people (matwali) like magar,gurung,kirat,etc. are under these groups and ofcourse we are not Aryan. Could you tell me now, under which group we kirat fall, is it both or just Tibeto-Burman or Mongolian? ................***************................... === Original Message === Guru jay Sunuwar Ji!!!
pahile ta, Kirati haru Mongolia bata ayeka hoinan?? yesto misconception aba dekhi narakhnu hola.. kirat haru ko race chai mongoloid ho matra bhaneko ho.. mongolia bata koi pani ayeko chhaina..

ani, itihas ra itihas ka dante(folk) katha haru ra likhit kitab haru bata kirat haruka daju bhai haru rai, limbu, sunuwar, yakkha, meche , koche, tamang, gurung, magar adi dherai bhaneka chhan. ti ta bhaye dante katha haru.. dherai pahile paschim ko kumaon garuwal dekhi purba ko Assan,burma samma chhariyeka hunthe kirati raja haru.. detail ma bhandina as it'd take some pages to explain..

ani, kirat haru rai, limbu, sunuwar matrai hoina.. contemporarily(at present) rai, limbu, sunuwar, yakkha adi lai matra maniye pani yini haru lagayat aru mongoloid(not mongolian frm mongolia) race ka tribe haru jastai gurung, magar, lepcha, koche, meche, tamang, etc sabai kirat jati ma parchhan... yo chai itihas le bhaneko hai, maile bhaneko hoina.. ani batho bhayis bhannu hunchha bhane Sunuwar sewa samaj ma gayera tyahako janne lai sodnuni...
Kirat rai Yayokkha, Kirat yakthum chumlung, Sunuwar sewa samaj, kirat yakkha chhumma adi le yo kura lai swikar garchha..(gurung magar harule tara hami kirati bhanera claim gareka chhainan)... confuse hunu bho hola tara tapaiko confusion hatauna chai tapaile halka anthropological study garnu parchha..

ani kirati haru lai P.N. Shah le east lakheteko hoina.. tyo janminubhanda pahile nai east mai rajya gardaithyo Kirati(presently recognised kirati) harule.. PN Shah le ta kabja po garekota.. Pachhi hamilai bibhajit garidiyo "wollo, pallo, majh" name diyera.. hamilai tukryayera raj garna(divide and rule concept)... ahile pani bahun harule tyastai gardaichha.. tyasaile kirati haru sabai ek hunu parne awasta chha..

ani rai ko kura garnu hunchha bhane rai bhojpur ma matra hoina Khotang, Sankhuwa Sabha, illam, bhojpur, dhankuta, solukhumbu, okhaldunga, sunsari, udaypur, morong, sikkim darjeling ra bhutan pani chha... Sunuwar ko barema tapailai nai thaha chha hola. ani yakkha bhanne sunubhayeko chhaina bhane ahile thaha pairakhnus.. sunuwar ko jastai yakkha ra limbu haruko pani eutai bhasa hunchhan.

ani antim ra ekdam important kura hai.... maile naya post gareko topic article aru nabhayera Kirat Rai Yayokkha le propose gareko "kirat Swayatta Rajya" ko concept ho....

Every sunuwar, Elders and youngs please review the information in the following sites:.. http://www.nefin.org.np/indigenous-nationalities/hill-in/50-sunuwar http://www.sunuwar.org.np/ I would like to learn more specially from the elderly olders...what are the origin of sunuwars === Original Message === Mr.CR I also have learn ....quite a bit but not vast about Tibeto-burman and mongolian, that all the people (matwali) like magar,gurung,kirat,etc. are under these groups and ofcourse we are not Aryan. Could you tell me now, under which group we kirat fall, is it both or just Tibeto-Burman or Mongolian? ................***************................... === Original Message === Guru jay Sunuwar Ji!!!
pahile ta, Kirati haru Mongolia bata ayeka hoinan?? yesto misconception aba dekhi narakhnu hola.. kirat haru ko race chai mongoloid ho matra bhaneko ho.. mongolia bata koi pani ayeko chhaina..

ani, itihas ra itihas ka dante(folk) katha haru ra likhit kitab haru bata kirat haruka daju bhai haru rai, limbu, sunuwar, yakkha, meche , koche, tamang, gurung, magar adi dherai bhaneka chhan. ti ta bhaye dante katha haru.. dherai pahile paschim ko kumaon garuwal dekhi purba ko Assan,burma samma chhariyeka hunthe kirati raja haru.. detail ma bhandina as it'd take some pages to explain..

ani, kirat haru rai, limbu, sunuwar matrai hoina.. contemporarily(at present) rai, limbu, sunuwar, yakkha adi lai matra maniye pani yini haru lagayat aru mongoloid(not mongolian frm mongolia) race ka tribe haru jastai gurung, magar, lepcha, koche, meche, tamang, etc sabai kirat jati ma parchhan... yo chai itihas le bhaneko hai, maile bhaneko hoina.. ani batho bhayis bhannu hunchha bhane Sunuwar sewa samaj ma gayera tyahako janne lai sodnuni...
Kirat rai Yayokkha, Kirat yakthum chumlung, Sunuwar sewa samaj, kirat yakkha chhumma adi le yo kura lai swikar garchha..(gurung magar harule tara hami kirati bhanera claim gareka chhainan)... confuse hunu bho hola tara tapaiko confusion hatauna chai tapaile halka anthropological study garnu parchha..

ani kirati haru lai P.N. Shah le east lakheteko hoina.. tyo janminubhanda pahile nai east mai rajya gardaithyo Kirati(presently recognised kirati) harule.. PN Shah le ta kabja po garekota.. Pachhi hamilai bibhajit garidiyo "wollo, pallo, majh" name diyera.. hamilai tukryayera raj garna(divide and rule concept)... ahile pani bahun harule tyastai gardaichha.. tyasaile kirati haru sabai ek hunu parne awasta chha..

ani rai ko kura garnu hunchha bhane rai bhojpur ma matra hoina Khotang, Sankhuwa Sabha, illam, bhojpur, dhankuta, solukhumbu, okhaldunga, sunsari, udaypur, morong, sikkim darjeling ra bhutan pani chha... Sunuwar ko barema tapailai nai thaha chha hola. ani yakkha bhanne sunubhayeko chhaina bhane ahile thaha pairakhnus.. sunuwar ko jastai yakkha ra limbu haruko pani eutai bhasa hunchhan.

ani antim ra ekdam important kura hai.... maile naya post gareko topic article aru nabhayera Kirat Rai Yayokkha le propose gareko "kirat Swayatta Rajya" ko concept ho....

Every sunuwar, Elders and youngs please review the information in the following sites:.. http://www.nefin.org.np/indigenous-nationalities/hill-in/50-sunuwar http://www.sunuwar.org.np/ I would like to learn more specially from the elderly olders...what are the origin of sunuwars ============================================END==================================== === Original Message === see i want to know i am sunuwar but sometimes people ask wat sunuwar is so to clarify i just say that i am likerai.was i telling them okay?means sunuwar lai rai pani bhanna milchha ki mildaina?HELp
chandika

Every sunuwar, Elders and youngs please review the information in the following sites:..

http://www.nefin.org.np/indigenous-nationalities/hill-in/50-sunuwar

http://www.sunuwar.org.np/

I would like to learn more specially from the elderly olders...what are the origin of sunuwars

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sorry Jaaa ji!!
tapaiko lagi presice and well descriptive answer khojera dinchhu bhanekota, haraye po chhu... ma ahile eti matra bhanchhu,

- hami haru mongolia ko hoina.. "mongoloid" word "chinky", "asian", sano "ankha bhayeko" phisical banaut ko euta standard discritive "term" matra ho... hamro race ma yo word prayog hunu hami magolia bata ayeko bhanne artha dekhauna kogi hoina bhanne kura sabaile bujhnu parchha..

(The term "Mongoloid" is a variation of the word "Mongol", meaning "Mongol-like". It has been coined as a racial category to describe the appearance of East Asian peoples)

Saral artha ma, asin chinky south asian, eg, malaysian, vietnam, tibetian, bhuntnese, thailand ko manchhe haru "mongoloid" race ko ho.. aba tini haru sabai mongolia bata ako ta pakkai pani hoina... sirf anuhar ko banout chai moongoloid chha matra bhanekoho...



- hamro race "mongoloid" ho....

- tibeto-burman chai hamro bhasa(language) ko classification ho... arthat, hamro kirati bhasa haru chai "tibeto-burman" class ma parchha.. tibeto-burman class chai "sino-tibetan" language catagory bhitra parchha..


- Hami "MATWALI" hoina........

Hami "MATWALI" hoina........

Hami "MATWALI" hoina........

Prtithivi narayan Shah le hamro Jaat chai matawali ma chhuttaideko taki hami dherai raksi khanchha bhanera...