I trust he will be able to lead you to the truth.

I will keep on supporting this group and I will respect my commitment with Roche and the group, but I won't take part to discussions with him.

Best wishes.

I trust he will be able to lead you to the truth.

I will keep on supporting this group and I will respect my commitment with Roche and the group, but I won't take part to discussions with him.

Best wishes.

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Graeme doesn't discuss with me. He considers me a Nazi biased supporter of Islamofascism or something like that ...

Graeme doesn't discuss with me. He considers me a Nazi biased supporter of Islamofascism or something like that ...

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I've got a commitment with you and with this group. I feel the duty to grant the success of the group.

I've got a commitment with you and with this group. I feel the duty to grant the success of the group.

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So I will remain silent: so that Graeme will feel free to fight against FGM without being concerned about my presence here.

So I will remain silent: so that Graeme will feel free to fight against FGM without being concerned about my presence here.

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Is it even yours to give away Luca?

Is it even yours to give away Luca?

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I enjoy your presence Luca. Your sense of humor just seems to fail every now and then :1

I enjoy your presence Luca. Your sense of humor just seems to fail every now and then :1

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What precisely do the two of you intend to contribute to this group?

What precisely do the two of you intend to contribute to this group?

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This is what I have always said here

1. FGM is a social / cultural problems
2. In Africa Islam and Christianity adopted FGM as a tool of social control over women
3. Nowadays the major cause of the diffusion and of the permanence of FGM is Islam
4. Islam adds a religious support and motivation to the practice in many parts Islam itself
5. Islam authorities are devided about FGM
6. Christian authorities of the region where FGM exists and where Christians practice it seem to be more united against the practice.

My strategy is
since Islamic environment support in some way FGM and Islam has got a huge influence on cultural and social traditions, I think that we need to do a job of persuasion on Islamic religious authorities and/or organization to change their attitude regarding FGM.

This means to involve in this a great number of Muslims, but if we attack Islam about FGM, like Graeme does, we will never get in touch with that environment and we will never have a single hope to solve the problem.

This is what I have always said here

1. FGM is a social / cultural problems
2. In Africa Islam and Christianity adopted FGM as a tool of social control over women
3. Nowadays the major cause of the diffusion and of the permanence of FGM is Islam
4. Islam adds a religious support and motivation to the practice in many parts Islam itself
5. Islam authorities are devided about FGM
6. Christian authorities of the region where FGM exists and where Christians practice it seem to be more united against the practice.

My strategy is
since Islamic environment support in some way FGM and Islam has got a huge influence on cultural and social traditions, I think that we need to do a job of persuasion on Islamic religious authorities and/or organization to change their attitude regarding FGM.

This means to involve in this a great number of Muslims, but if we attack Islam about FGM, like Graeme does, we will never get in touch with that environment and we will never have a single hope to solve the problem.

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Strangely enough I agree with you on quite a few points Luca. In the end, if we were to ask a government to introduce legislation against this, it's not really going to matter what the origins are. But if you think that by removing any associations to religion you'll somehow make them believe the same, and make them more likely to do so, that I think is delusional. Appealing to individual Muslims is useless, because they have little or no say in government. They also have little or no influence over Islamic doctrine. And Luca, if you want no opposition to the things you say here, then you have at least three choices: Remove people like me from this group, don't say anything, or try and be a little more thick skinned and receptive to criticism. Because after all, actually making a difference is more important than being right, or 'unoffended'.

Strangely enough I agree with you on quite a few points Luca. In the end, if we were to ask a government to introduce legislation against this, it's not really going to matter what the origins are. But if you think that by removing any associations to religion you'll somehow make them believe the same, and make them more likely to do so, that I think is delusional. Appealing to individual Muslims is useless, because they have little or no say in government. They also have little or no influence over Islamic doctrine. And Luca, if you want no opposition to the things you say here, then you have at least three choices: Remove people like me from this group, don't say anything, or try and be a little more thick skinned and receptive to criticism. Because after all, actually making a difference is more important than being right, or 'unoffended'.

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